Portland-based musician and vlogger David Rovics [15] interviews CounterVortex [16] editor Bill Weinberg [17] for Fifth Estate Live [18]. The two discuss Weinberg's upcoming story for the anarchist journal Fifth Estate [19] on the "two faces of fascism [20]" the US confronts at this moment—a Trumpian dictatorship or a post-pandemic "new normality" of complete surveillance and social control. But the moment is also pregnant with possibility, witnessing the mainstreaming of anarchist ideas such as abolishing the police [21]. Initiatives such as cannabis legalization as a first step [22] toward this aim are gaining ground nationally. Looking back, they draw lessons for the current revolutionary moment from the Tompkins Square Park [23] uprising on Manhattan's Lower East Side in the 1980s, and the rebellion of the Zapatistas [24] in Mexico in the 1990s—who continue to hold liberated territory [25] in the southern state of Chiapas even today. Watch the video archive on YouTube [26] or listen to the audio version on SoundCloud [27].
Erratum: The book Three Faces of Fascism [29] is by Ernst Nolte [30] (not "Eric")
